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  Al Kidd on Blood

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  another apologist for the watchtower society doctrinal position on blood has written on the subject.

  his name is al kidd.

  his written comments can be found at

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Hi, Alan

  Yes, we agree on Mr. Kidd’s pedigree. Forget solid science, reason and common sense. Defend the WTS no matter what. It doesn’t take a genius to know whether Kidd would have been with Saul in the hunt to kill David. Sticking with the “anointed of Jehovah” despite truth and soundness of mind is a reoccurring theme. The biblical depiction of Moses’ sin at Meribah has Aaron doing the same thing, and the cost for Aaron was removal from high office and premature death. I guess we can hope.

  Hello, sKally

  This rogueactivex has recently posed online his real name as Mark Davis. He’s a kid. One day he’ll have to grow up and think back on some of his earlier days of fighting for the indefensible just like so many others of us did during the unavoidable period when we accepted certain things on trust. He’ll be embarrassed. I suppose in so many cases the learning curve is unavoidable.

  Greetings, Waiting

  It sure was nice meeting you and the fine hubby a few weeks back. Maybe one day when I’m in the neighborhood we can hook up again!

  I had to chuckle at your quite realistic comment that now JWs can abstain from blood and eat it too! A keeper

  Metatron

  Those that make doctrine yet are unwilling to publicly defend the details they would enforce under pain of extreme shunning or death are just plain cowards. There is no other word for it. Al Kidd is not only duped into defending the indefensible but also into defending the cowardly.

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  Marvin Shilmer
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  Al Kidd on Blood

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  another apologist for the watchtower society doctrinal position on blood has written on the subject.

  his name is al kidd.

  his written comments can be found at

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Marvin Shilmer

  Another apologist for the Watchtower Society doctrinal position on blood has written on the subject. His name is Al Kidd. His written comments can be found at http://www.geocities.com/rogueactivex/blood-kidd.htm .

  Al Kidd begins by writing:

  “Blood's major components (red blood cells, white blood cells, platelets, and plasma) taken unnaturally (i.e., taken by human intervention) from a bloodstream must not be stored for reuse in the very component form in which they were taken. If the major components are destroyed (i.e., for example, if subcomponents are extracted, by some manmade procedure, from any of the major components), then many of us Jehovah's Witnesses reason that the subcomponents may be stored for some use.”

  The premise above is what Al Kidd asserts as a line of distinction between what is and is not what he later terms “bloodness.” That is, his initial paragraph ends up as a premise to distinguish between what is “blood” that must be abstained from and what is maybe not “blood” that must be abstained from.

  After reading Kidd’s comment above, along with the rest of his tedious use of a great many words, one must wonder if Al Kidd knows the effect of something as simple as cooking whole blood under heat. I do. By heat conversion the components are destroyed by a manmade procedure. Therefore Al Kidd’s proposition would mean that many Jehovah’s Witnesses could store for some use blood that is first cooked under heat.

  On the medical aspect of this issue Al Kidd’s premise means one thing: Jehovah’s Witnesses can use every single bit of blood so long as it is first dissected to some form other than red cells, white cells, platelets and plasma. Therefore, of a liter of donated whole blood Jehovah’s Witnesses could medically transfuse the entire amount after dissecting it.

  One wonders if apologists like Al Kidd take time to review their premises for validity in the face of common sense. Or if they have simply deluded themselves with the great cloud of words they surround themselves with.

  Too, in his verbose attempted apologia noticeably Al Kidd avoids mentioning the use God himself made of blood as food by providing non-Judaic descendents of Noah with unbled flesh by Israelites either giving or selling to them the unbled carcasses of animals that had died of themselves. And let’s not forget that this provision was expressly for the purpose of eating the unbled flesh! (See Deuteronomy

  Perhaps one of the all time ironies regarding the WTS is that persons like Al Kidd can pride themselves on defending a position of “abstaining from blood” when in fact the WTS teaches its adherents to respect using from blood each and every day of the week. Al Kidd on one hand is forced to assert, “We abstain from blood,” yet on the other hand has to explain “Why we use from blood” -- an amazing paradox.

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  Who of you here know someone in Bethel who is leaking information?

  by truthseeker in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  do any of you here have direct contacts with bethel, or one of the branches?

  do any of you have family that is in bethel?.

  not too long ago one of you posted that bethel asked for 1000 volunteers to be laid off, but only 6 repsonded.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  If you want your own personal leak at Bethel all you need to do is grease a palm. I kid you not. If you want two leaks just grease two palms. If you want a truckload of leaks just bring a truckload of grease.
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  Blood and Ron Rhoades

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  ron rhoades on blood

  for about 15 months i held an on-again off-again discussion with an apologist for the watchtower bible and tract society named ron rhoades.

  in this discussion rhoades goes to great lengths in his attempt to authenticate the wts doctrinal position on blood.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Hello, Risot

  I appreciate your observations and comments. In answer to your query of whether Rhoades ever answered my question number 3 regarding his "tree" illustration, no, he has not. No one has to imagine why, either. Given that his illustration is similar to the WTS' position, an honest and straightforward answer to the question represents an outright and concise refutation of Rhoades' apologia in defense of the WTS' doctrinal position on blood.

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  Marvin Shilmer
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  Blood and Ron Rhoades

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  ron rhoades on blood

  for about 15 months i held an on-again off-again discussion with an apologist for the watchtower bible and tract society named ron rhoades.

  in this discussion rhoades goes to great lengths in his attempt to authenticate the wts doctrinal position on blood.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  For my friend Nicodemus.
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  WARNNG!! GRAPHIC!! Men....PLEASE Don't Wear This in Public!! (or private)

  by teenyuck in

  1. jw
  2. friends

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  i got this in an e-mail.

  i have no idea who it is.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Officially blind
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  Blood and Ron Rhoades

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  ron rhoades on blood

  for about 15 months i held an on-again off-again discussion with an apologist for the watchtower bible and tract society named ron rhoades.

  in this discussion rhoades goes to great lengths in his attempt to authenticate the wts doctrinal position on blood.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Rhodes!

  Damn! That took how many posts for the text to appear?
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  Blood and Ron Rhoades

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  ron rhoades on blood

  for about 15 months i held an on-again off-again discussion with an apologist for the watchtower bible and tract society named ron rhoades.

  in this discussion rhoades goes to great lengths in his attempt to authenticate the wts doctrinal position on blood.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Geezuz Bwezzus! What do you have to do to get a simple sentence to APPEAR on this forum?!!! Amazing, I believe the Ron you allude to spells his last name as
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  Blood and Ron Rhoades

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  ron rhoades on blood

  for about 15 months i held an on-again off-again discussion with an apologist for the watchtower bible and tract society named ron rhoades.

  in this discussion rhoades goes to great lengths in his attempt to authenticate the wts doctrinal position on blood.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  I am about ready to forget this blasted forum! Its dad blame text entry feature is the sorriest online!

  Hello, Amazing

  Long time no talk! We must do something about that.

  I believe the Ron you allude to spells his last name as

  Hello, Rocketman

  I understand your pain! I’m a veteran of this forum and lately upon returning to post I found something had seriously changed with how this site’s code accepts my cut and pastes. Sorry of the inconvenience.

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  Marvin Shilmer
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  Blood and Ron Rhoades

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  ron rhoades on blood

  for about 15 months i held an on-again off-again discussion with an apologist for the watchtower bible and tract society named ron rhoades.

  in this discussion rhoades goes to great lengths in his attempt to authenticate the wts doctrinal position on blood.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Hello, Amazing

  Long time no talk! We must do something about that.

  I believe the Ron you allude to spells his last name as

  Hello, Rocketman

  I understand your pain! I’m a veteran of this forum and lately upon returning to post I found something had seriously changed with how this site’s code accepts my cut and pastes. Sorry of the inconvenience.

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  Marvin Shilmer